Comments on: Or, why “DJs” in LA suck. http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/ An experiment in vagary Thu, 06 Oct 2011 03:02:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Dustin http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-662 Dustin Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:27:47 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-662 After almost a year of leaving this thread open, I am now closing comments. This debate will continue to live on, but I think there are better outlets for it than here. Thanks for everyone's input, it's nice to see a wide range of ideas on the subject. Ultimately, it's all about the music. So I suggest going out an supporting those who you move or who make you move. After almost a year of leaving this thread open, I am now closing comments. This debate will continue to live on, but I think there are better outlets for it than here. Thanks for everyone’s input, it’s nice to see a wide range of ideas on the subject. Ultimately, it’s all about the music. So I suggest going out an supporting those who you move or who make you move.

]]> By: Dustin http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-661 Dustin Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:23:44 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-661 They are producers, not DJs...which is my point. If all they are going to do is play a whole set of their own music, premixed, then all they really need is this: http://images.apple.com/ipodclassic/gallery/images/image1_20090909.jpg It would save them the trouble of carrying an iMac out to a party...and it wouldn't be nearly as misleading. They are producers, not DJs…which is my point. If all they are going to do is play a whole set of their own music, premixed, then all they really need is this: http://images.apple.com/ipodclassic/gallery/images/image1_20090909.jpg

It would save them the trouble of carrying an iMac out to a party…and it wouldn’t be nearly as misleading.

]]> By: chris http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-659 chris Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:36:50 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-659 yeah but these dj's produce there own music that is loved everywhere so why are you hating? yeah but these dj’s produce there own music that is loved everywhere so why are you hating?

]]> By: Jerry_Swinger http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-639 Jerry_Swinger Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:07:33 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-639 MOST LA DJ Suck... however if you are over 25 you prolly have found the real underground, where vinyl is still king! Most DJs have been forced to go digital (not because of their back) because producers are NOT pressing vinyl. THEY are where the cop out starts.... Im from Detroit and although we may not have the crowds that LA has...our DJs ALL make CA look like amateurs... There is ONE record pressing plant in Detroit left (Archer) and had the new hot records actually been vinyl.. maybe more of us would still be luggin (or having our friends do it) Technology is great and totally a part of this (supposed to be) PROGRESSIVE music, however the SOUL of the music CAME from MIXING 2 RECORDS LIVE... thats the soul, thats the show, thats what makes you NOT the next guy. Computers are fine for mixes and producing... but LIVE? unless you're "performing" LIVE PA.... play some fucking records already.... parties have become no more than "whos got the space and flyers?" if you ever want to see some real DJs... book Detroit Techno Militia or Bang Tech 12 Dj's MOST LA DJ Suck… however if you are over 25 you prolly have found the real underground, where vinyl is still king! Most DJs have been forced to go digital (not because of their back) because producers are NOT pressing vinyl. THEY are where the cop out starts…. Im from Detroit and although we may not have the crowds that LA has…our DJs ALL make CA look like amateurs… There is ONE record pressing plant in Detroit left (Archer)
and had the new hot records actually been vinyl.. maybe more of us would still be luggin (or having our friends do it) Technology is great and totally a part of this (supposed to be) PROGRESSIVE music, however the SOUL of the music CAME from MIXING 2 RECORDS LIVE… thats the soul, thats the show, thats what makes you NOT the next guy. Computers are fine for mixes and producing… but LIVE? unless you’re “performing” LIVE PA…. play some fucking records already…. parties have become no more than “whos got the space and flyers?” if you ever want to see some real DJs… book Detroit Techno Militia or Bang Tech 12 Dj’s

]]> By: slowtimer http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-638 slowtimer Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:34:16 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-638 oh and btw, I found this blog post by googling "ableton djs suck" to see what people thought about it, I have a gig this Saturday and haven't played out in a while, just wondering what the consensus was. oh and btw, I found this blog post by googling “ableton djs suck” to see what people thought about it, I have a gig this Saturday and haven’t played out in a while, just wondering what the consensus was.

]]> By: slowtimer http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-637 slowtimer Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:26:27 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-637 I understand what you are saying, and that picture is fucking hilarious, it is just sad that people like that can get gigs. I started on vinyl, switched to ableton and recently switched to serato. Vinyl is the best and sounds the best, hands down, but I do not think it is completely fair to say "Accessibility breeds mediocrity". In my job I have to listen to small minded co-workers tell me how hip-hop is not music and how "real" music is made with "real" instruments. "Accessibilty" is what made it possible for hip hop to get started, people couldn't afford guitars or drums and wanted to have fun so they used what they had and made something amazing. What that douche did in that picture is inexcusable, that is just a sad way of doing things and maybe it is not how it was done before, but don't blame ableton for idiots like that "dj". Ableton is a different instrument from two turntables and you can do alot more with it than just make a premade mix. Like i said though, I just switched to serato and it was for that reason, ableton just felt to stiff and rigid and sometimes I just like to switch genres or bring a track to a screaching halt and you can't really do that on ableton. It seems to take all kinds, if I can blend tracks but can't scratch, am I a shitty dj? What if I have all the technical skills in the world but play shitty music? Would you rather hear someone playing awesome songs from his ipod or someone playing worn out vinyl just because he's been practicing the same set for 5 years? Being a good dj is a multitude of things: technical skills, being able to read a crowd, and having great taste in music. Awesome post by the way, I would have never guessed that people actually can get away with what I saw in that pic. I understand what you are saying, and that picture is fucking hilarious, it is just sad that people like that can get gigs. I started on vinyl, switched to ableton and recently switched to serato. Vinyl is the best and sounds the best, hands down, but I do not think it is completely fair to say “Accessibility breeds mediocrity”. In my job I have to listen to small minded co-workers tell me how hip-hop is not music and how “real” music is made with “real” instruments. “Accessibilty” is what made it possible for hip hop to get started, people couldn’t afford guitars or drums and wanted to have fun so they used what they had and made something amazing. What that douche did in that picture is inexcusable, that is just a sad way of doing things and maybe it is not how it was done before, but don’t blame ableton for idiots like that “dj”. Ableton is a different instrument from two turntables and you can do alot more with it than just make a premade mix. Like i said though, I just switched to serato and it was for that reason, ableton just felt to stiff and rigid and sometimes I just like to switch genres or bring a track to a screaching halt and you can’t really do that on ableton. It seems to take all kinds, if I can blend tracks but can’t scratch, am I a shitty dj? What if I have all the technical skills in the world but play shitty music? Would you rather hear someone playing awesome songs from his ipod or someone playing worn out vinyl just because he’s been practicing the same set for 5 years? Being a good dj is a multitude of things: technical skills, being able to read a crowd, and having great taste in music. Awesome post by the way, I would have never guessed that people actually can get away with what I saw in that pic.

]]> By: Dan http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-569 Dan Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:50:45 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-569 Hey Nigel - I feel your pain bro - I own in Excess of 10,000 pieces of Vinyl all of which are now happily collecting dust in my garage - So I embraced the tech and moved on to get work...I would suggest you rip your crate of rare vinyl to MP3's and start using Ableton and an Akai APC 40. You sound like a man of age dude....save your back the grief... oh and Dustin - type ableton hater into Google and see what page ranks 1st....=] Hey Nigel – I feel your pain bro – I own in Excess of 10,000 pieces of Vinyl all of which are now happily collecting dust in my garage – So I embraced the tech and moved on to get work…I would suggest you rip your crate of rare vinyl to MP3′s and start using Ableton and an Akai APC 40. You sound like a man of age dude….save your back the grief…

oh and Dustin – type ableton hater into Google and see what page ranks 1st….=]

]]> By: Dustin http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-549 Dustin Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:39:42 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-549 Wow, I never thought I'd really get much traction on this blog. This issue is certainly divisive, some people love ableton/traktor/serato, etc. and some people hate it...fair enough. There's a lot of good input here, even with the haters ;) Not every DJ is going to garner respect from every person, deserved or not. Even great DJs get shit from time to time, it happens. 95% of people who go to parties don't give a shit if the DJ knows his shit, they just want to dance and have a good time. They don't even notice trainwrecks (seriously, try it out, trainwreck on purpose...it's incredible how people don't even think twice). Technical proficiencies aside, if you're going to get in front of a crowd to rock a party, then goddamn it, bring the heat and make me dance. ps. how the hell did all of you find this blog post? :) Wow, I never thought I’d really get much traction on this blog. This issue is certainly divisive, some people love ableton/traktor/serato, etc. and some people hate it…fair enough. There’s a lot of good input here, even with the haters ;)

Not every DJ is going to garner respect from every person, deserved or not. Even great DJs get shit from time to time, it happens. 95% of people who go to parties don’t give a shit if the DJ knows his shit, they just want to dance and have a good time. They don’t even notice trainwrecks (seriously, try it out, trainwreck on purpose…it’s incredible how people don’t even think twice). Technical proficiencies aside, if you’re going to get in front of a crowd to rock a party, then goddamn it, bring the heat and make me dance.

ps. how the hell did all of you find this blog post? :)

]]> By: Germain http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Germain Mon, 17 May 2010 10:24:19 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-502 Good point. But.. what if you have already know how to mix vinyl & cdjs? and still choose to spin digital I love the flexibility of looping and being able to search and get the track I want in an instant & browse around.. also I'm able to mix faster without running whole tracks, mixing just at the last 20 seconds of every song like MOST "true" djs I see in my town. By the way, I do agree that picture is truly pathetic. I mean, come on.. there's a difference between mixing and just pushing play on a computer & acting stupid. Good point. But..

what if you have already know how to mix vinyl & cdjs? and still choose to spin digital

I love the flexibility of looping and being able to search and get the track I want in an instant & browse around.. also I’m able to mix faster without running whole tracks, mixing just at the last 20 seconds of every song like MOST “true” djs I see in my town.

By the way, I do agree that picture is truly pathetic. I mean, come on.. there’s a difference between mixing and just pushing play on a computer & acting stupid.

]]> By: DJ Finga Slick http://www.elasticwax.com/2009/08/or-why-djs-in-la-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-432 DJ Finga Slick Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:06:40 +0000 http://www.elasticwax.com/?p=147#comment-432 damm it a lot of insecure haters on here LOL! these old azz DJ's still using only turntables is like Old farts still using checks instead of a debit card LMAO! Upgrade ya self it is the new world if you don't like dig a hole a lay in it. damm it a lot of insecure haters on here LOL! these old azz DJ’s still using only turntables is like Old farts still using checks instead of a debit card LMAO! Upgrade ya self it is the new world if you don’t like dig a hole a lay in it.

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